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ABlufferIsMe: I'm not coaching you, just saying that particular call was mathematically wrong.. SuitedPairAA: you could go ALL IN with 27 os and hit and it would be called a perfectly good play by you franksteroo: he won't admit to it but the even more stupid mistake was me calling but I overstimated his play based on his calling, this is typical of how you get beat by bad players on the river, had it been a bad player, I would have layed it down afox: implied odds (eventual odds) made it right ABlufferIsMe:: you needed him to call a bet 12.5x the turn bet in order to break even. those are bad implied odds. franksteroo: well afox, no direspect but that's what we're telling you, it didn't make it right afox: it was CHEAP and after I caught he paid me BIG compared to the pot franksteroo: you didn't have the odds SuitedPairAA: no matter what he does he wont be wrong...you cant tell him ****...wasting your time ABlufferIsMe: you didn't get him to call a bet 12.5x the turn bet. therefore, that was a bad call mathematically. ABlufferIsMe:: I'm gonna stop arguing now. franksteroo: there is no question of cheap or not if you are talking of odds, stick to odds afox: you are talking POT odd I am talking EVENTUAL (implied) odds of what you will call if I hit afox: I was right and you paid me ABlufferIsMe: afox.. did you read my explanation? you did not have implied odds. franksteroo: well you have to compare the two to make your decision you can't go calling anything based on 8% eventual odd ABlufferIsMe: it wasn't 8%. it was 4%. afox: him and his buddy Suited both lost bonehead calls to me franksteroo: after the flop, 8%? ABlufferIsMe: oh, right. ABlufferIsMe: thought you were talking about after the turn. ABlufferIsMe: but he had the two pair draw on the flop. so he was ~16% then. ABlufferIsMe: turn paired the board, so he was only drawing to a boat. franksteroo: after the flop I made the 50% pot bet to see where I stood so he called rudra: I don't care about the odds, it's just wrong to call with 74 Dealer: Game #3673288354: franksteroo wins pot ($0.08) afox: do you think I play that way when I play 2/4 and 3/6? ABlufferIsMe: does my logic not make sense? you were 25-1 to hit, getting 2-1 odds, so you had to get him to call 12.5x the turn bet to break even by implied odds. therefore, it was a -EV call. afox: wrong afox: I had to get him to call the RIVER if I hit franksteroo: calling anything with 7-4 is wrong to me, but that's just me ABlufferIsMe: I analyzed your turn call in relation to your river play. ABlufferIsMe: 12.5x15=1.87 ABlufferIsMe: you won 1.50 on the river. afox: my river play made all rounds before correct ABlufferIsMe: you didn't cover the 12.5-1 odds. so it didn't make the previous plays correct. rudra: Since when does a good river play make up for idiot play every other round? ABlufferIsMe: afox. true or false. your river winnings did not cover your implied odds. ABlufferIsMe:: how is 4% to hit better than a random hand? I'm confused. afox:: did you see how those 2 were playing with top pair and over pairs? ABlufferIsMe: no. that was one of the first hands I saw. afox: trust me...suited had a stack by betting preflop and betting bigger on the continuation |
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